šŸ€ Transfer Portal Recruiting Thread

Dai Dai didn’t enter the Portal (or at least it didn’t break as a story) until April 28th, so only a few days before the Portal Entry closure date of May 1st. So it wasn’t necessarily a slam dunk departure for him or Tang, the sort of bad blood that has him in the Portal the first week after their season ended (which was in the NIT on March 19th).

Dug (one of the highest rated players in the Portal) picked K-State in early April, with Villanova’s Brendan Hausen committing on April 26th. Even with Tylor Perry graduating and Camryn Carter transferring, those two may box Dai Dai out of the backcourt a bit.

It may just be more about the entire roster turning over. If I’m reading things right, taking Ames out of it, K-State was losing 7 of their top 9 to graduation or transfer (so with Ames gone its 9 of their Top 10), the only player of note returning is David N’Guessan (the old Hokie big man still has his COVID year apparently), otherwise it’s just Macaleab Rich who scored only 61 points all season. Ames may just not have the stomach for a total rebuild like that, it’s a lot to ask, especially entering Year 3 with a coach. When there’s that big an exodus, maybe it says a lot about how Tang is running things.

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There’s a lot of kstate fans in his mentions wanting him to stay

N’Guessan is coming back too. But yeah they only return 16.7% of their minutes.

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Playing devil’s advocate, that may be partially motivated by their desperate need for D-1 level warm bodies. As mentioned, they lost 9 of their Top 10 from last year, and so far only have six new guys inbound (five transfers, one 4-star recruit) and maybe two deep bench returnees in addition to N’Guessan (thanks @AdventiveQuasar I had no idea that old Hokie still had eligibility), so it’s tenuous if they even have enough scholarship guys to run a 5-on-5.

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True, but that said, a few weeks ago we were in ā€œwarm bodyā€ mode and more than half the fanbase wanted to run Harris off…only slightly fewer, Rohde.

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Beekman freshman year 29 TO
Ames freshman year 49 TO

Wonder what that pace adjusts to? KSU was 166 in tempo, we were 362. Over 7 possessions per game difference.

The scoring statistics are very comparable-

Beekman freshman year 38% FG 24% 3PT 76% FT
Ames freshman year 35% FG 33% 3PT 70% FT

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Maybe K State just has nicer fans

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Beekmans freshman turnover rate was 19% while ames was at 25% last year. For comparison Reece was at 14% this year.

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Ames efficiency stats are pretty conparable to 2015 Hall. Jerome also had a low 20s TO rate his first year and Kihei’s 2020 TO rate was 26.1 (although his assist rate was top 15 nationally).

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I think you can’t compare assist to turnover ratio here. Kstate was a high turnover team last year which tells me they lacked coaching. I bet if Dai Dai was at UVA last year and getting similar minutes his numbers would be really good.

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Because the goal of an offense is to minimize turnovers. Which is why we have consistently been one of the nation’s best offenses since the natty.

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yeah literally the ONE thing the offense did well last year was not turn it over (although that may have been partly because they were too conservative). KSU was one of the worst teams in the country in that department.

If our season last year didn’t teach our fanbase that low turnover rate is a Tony Bennett vanity stat with no particular point at all, then I don’t know what will.

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Yeah, I can live with a few more TO’s if it’s done trying to actively score, versus dribbling/passing around the perimeter 30 feet from the basket, for 25 seconds of the shot clock.

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I’ve come around to leaning in to his top 75 ranking, and the fact that he showed some good things in meaningful minutes as a freshman.

Maybe - would rather the fans he left sad he left and want him back. Things were looking rough for us for a bit after Dante left and you didn’t see any of our fans desperate for a return.

yeah anyone can avoid turnovers by just passing it around the perimeter for 25 seconds. I dont think TO rate is a vanity stat but it needs to be taken in context. 2016 and 2019 had low TO rates that were legit, but bad shots that lead to long rebounds are arguably worse than deadball turnovers and this year’s team had a ton of those.

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If I were less prone to hyperbole, I’d say ā€œneeds to be taken in context.ā€ But I am prone to it, so I say vanity stat.

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I had a memory of looking into how the four factors (shooting, turnovers, rebounds, free throws) were weighted empirically, and I guess I posted about it last offseason:

You can kinda intuit this by looking at charts of how each four factor (eFG, TO rate, OReb%, FT rate) is correlated to adjusted offensive efficiency: https://barttorvik.com/team-maps.php?year=2024

eFG has the tightest relationship on the chart by far.

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